Comments on: More on the Compare People Premium Service http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/ Never Mess With a Woman Who Can Pull Rank Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:10:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Nadia http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-63268 Nadia Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:42:04 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-63268 I agree with you. People who don't even have the application shouldn't be able to still be ranked....also, people shouldn't be able to write whether they agree or disagree. I agree with you. People who don’t even have the application shouldn’t be able to still be ranked….also, people shouldn’t be able to write whether they agree or disagree.

]]> By: Loretta http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40544 Loretta Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:38:12 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40544 Glad I didn't install that app when I got a bunch of invites for it. Thanks for the info Rae, definitely passing it onto other facebookers. Glad I didn’t install that app when I got a bunch of invites for it. Thanks for the info Rae, definitely passing it onto other facebookers.

]]> By: Paul http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40305 Paul Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:07:17 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40305 Thanks for this one Rae. Another shining example for me anyway , of why not to piss you off. I will agree though this app is pretty invasive and as for Ivko fixing things and making it better as he says in his comment, we'll see. I tend to see people that run these apps as cash machines,(design,test, then sell for the quick $) trying to hide more info than they reveal and scurry when things come out in the light of day. Thanks for this one Rae. Another shining example for me anyway , of why not to piss you off.

I will agree though this app is pretty invasive and as for Ivko fixing things and making it better as he says in his comment, we’ll see.

I tend to see people that run these apps as cash machines,(design,test, then sell for the quick $) trying to hide more info than they reveal and scurry when things come out in the light of day.

]]> By: Rae Hoffman http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40298 Rae Hoffman Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:55:54 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40298 I guess it all depends on your view of anonymous then, because as you see in the screenshot here: http://www.sugarrae.com/fbstuff/comparereferences.jpg (and the same goes for the true friends one) - there is a very small list of those who actually use the app listed on his screen - so is he to assume the others not listed didn't vote highly for him? That would be a natural assumption, at least to me. So, those who vote badly are not listed, thus violating their anonymous standing you promised and those that ARE listed are also having THEIR anonymous standing violated - even if it's in what you perceive a good way. Additionally, I could understand it taking hours to remove my information, but not days. My two cents... well, four ;-) I guess it all depends on your view of anonymous then, because as you see in the screenshot here: http://www.sugarrae.com/fbstuff/comparereferences.jpg (and the same goes for the true friends one) – there is a very small list of those who actually use the app listed on his screen – so is he to assume the others not listed didn’t vote highly for him? That would be a natural assumption, at least to me. So, those who vote badly are not listed, thus violating their anonymous standing you promised and those that ARE listed are also having THEIR anonymous standing violated – even if it’s in what you perceive a good way. Additionally, I could understand it taking hours to remove my information, but not days. My two cents… well, four ;-)

]]> By: Ivko Maksimovic http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40296 Ivko Maksimovic Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:56 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40296 Hi, I'm the developer of the app. I'm sorry that I didn't reply to your message earlier if you'd set one. I missed it in the huge flood of emails that I get daily. I appreciate your post, but I don't believe that it's correct at all. I've gone very far out of my way to protect the users' anonymity. We DO NOT violate anonymity and we DO NOT reveal who voted on you how, even in the premium section. The premium feature is based off an internal algorithm which combines non-anonymous (the ok to notify winner rating data) as well as your own votes and presents it back to you in an aggregated fashion to make suggestions. At no time does it tell you who voted on you in which way. The suggestions are just that - suggestions with no numbers or data or votes next to them. There is a wins and losses feature that shows who you won against and who you lost against, but it goes to great pains to NOT show you who did the voting. We'll work on the opt-out. It's a batch process on the calculations so it's not instant. I'll also disable the premium feature for new signups until we get this all figured out. Okay? Best, Ivko Hi,

I’m the developer of the app. I’m sorry that I didn’t reply to your message earlier if you’d set one. I missed it in the huge flood of emails that I get daily.

I appreciate your post, but I don’t believe that it’s correct at all. I’ve gone very far out of my way to protect the users’ anonymity.

We DO NOT violate anonymity and we DO NOT reveal who voted on you how, even in the premium section. The premium feature is based off an internal algorithm which combines non-anonymous (the ok to notify winner rating data) as well as your own votes and presents it back to you in an aggregated fashion to make suggestions. At no time does it tell you who voted on you in which way. The suggestions are just that – suggestions with no numbers or data or votes next to them. There is a wins and losses feature that shows who you won against and who you lost against, but it goes to great pains to NOT show you who did the voting.

We’ll work on the opt-out. It’s a batch process on the calculations so it’s not instant.

I’ll also disable the premium feature for new signups until we get this all figured out.

Okay?

Best,
Ivko

]]> By: reese http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40284 reese Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:20:27 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40284 sing it, sister! I'll drop a line on my sideblog about this. sing it, sister! I’ll drop a line on my sideblog about this.

]]> By: David LaFerney http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40234 David LaFerney Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:26:55 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40234 Overheard at an amusement park: Little kid - Blah blah blah... hurt my neck... Mom - Well, is it bad enough to sue? Little kid - No. Mom - Well then shut up... True story. I don't know why I thought of it. Now you hate me. Love your blog BTW. Overheard at an amusement park:

Little kid – Blah blah blah… hurt my neck…

Mom – Well, is it bad enough to sue?

Little kid – No.

Mom – Well then shut up…

True story. I don’t know why I thought of it. Now you hate me. Love your blog BTW.

]]> By: Rodney Rumford http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40230 Rodney Rumford Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:17:47 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40230 Rae, I stand corrected, I was incorrect. (I did not notice it was 3 days later) You are 100% correct. This application developer is in violation of facebook's Terms and Conditions. They should be reported. All personal data is to be purged after 24 hours. There are a very minuscule percentage of apps that do not abide by the facebook TOC and violaters should be reported. The bottom line is that is part of the reason we rate and review applications: to separate the good from the bad. Thanks for pointing this out. This is actually the first time I have seen an application have user data available after 48 hours of removing the app. The reality is that the facebook application actually does not have your name (only your facebook user id #) which is public. They also have very limited data sets of knowledge about you from facebook. Either the app developer is a sloppy programmer or has gone over the edge and should be bitch slapped. ;) Rae,
I stand corrected, I was incorrect. (I did not notice it was 3 days later) You are 100% correct. This application developer is in violation of facebook’s Terms and Conditions. They should be reported. All personal data is to be purged after 24 hours.

There are a very minuscule percentage of apps that do not abide by the facebook TOC and violaters should be reported. The bottom line is that is part of the reason we rate and review applications: to separate the good from the bad.

Thanks for pointing this out. This is actually the first time I have seen an application have user data available after 48 hours of removing the app.

The reality is that the facebook application actually does not have your name (only your facebook user id #) which is public. They also have very limited data sets of knowledge about you from facebook.

Either the app developer is a sloppy programmer or has gone over the edge and should be bitch slapped. ;)

]]> By: Rob T. Case http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40223 Rob T. Case Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:54:24 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40223 Okay you totally sold me with this post. Consider the app deleted. I'll also report the stupid app. And if I meet Ivako at a conference, I will happily beat on him for good measure. Thanks. :) Okay you totally sold me with this post.

Consider the app deleted. I’ll also report the stupid app.

And if I meet Ivako at a conference, I will happily beat on him for good measure.

Thanks. :)

]]> By: pat http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40207 pat Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:29:16 +0000 http://www.sugarrae.com/more-on-the-compare-people-premium-service/#comment-40207 Thank you for putting that out. From the little I know about you, you seem amazingly calm about this. It is total bullshit that they are doing this, and if you do take any action in the form of communication somewhere or somehow, let me know and I will send similar shit, or tear into people publicly who are screwing with others. Thank you for putting that out. From the little I know about you, you seem amazingly calm about this. It is total bullshit that they are doing this, and if you do take any action in the form of communication somewhere or somehow, let me know and I will send similar shit, or tear into people publicly who are screwing with others.

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